Thanks for the thoughts Zylo ... I guess my situation boils down to a couple key points that I need to work out ...
First of all ... is there any worldly posession I have worth taking another person's life over. Everything I own is insured, so ...
Second ... will I be able to recognize that my or a loved one's life is being threatened with deadly intent in time for me to draw and shoot with any accuracy and without worry that the 5 year old kid playing in his bedroom 100 yards away won't get hurt because of my inability to properly sense, react and/or act with a reasonable level of confidence.
Until I can answer YES to both of those dilemas without remorse, then I will feel as though an EDC is for me.
Someone said earlier that having a CHL is a commitment. I disagree ... the choice of carrying a deadly weapon and willing to use it, is a commitment.
TAM ... one day my daughter tells me "Dad, if you keep bailing me out of these situations, how am I ever going to learn?" She was overdrawn in her checking account and I moved $100 over and was scolding her over the phone for not being responsible.
I stopped and she is now VERY good with money.
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- Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:07 pm
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- Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:54 am
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Trust me, RJ ... I have taken nothing you've posted personally.
This is the internet ... not real life.
And I truly respect yours and everyone's right to carry and your reasoning behind it. I'm not trying to point out flaws in anyone's character or change minds.
I've owned, admined and moderated forums over the last decade where the passion of it's members are just as volatile as they are here. You know, the Ford vs Chevy folks? We don't know each other as friends or companions, so benefits of doubt are rarely given. quite the opposite.
If there is one thing I've learned in all those years, is that folks post when a nerve is struck. In this thread alone, "one chance to get it wrong" and "I'm anti-paranoid" struck those nerves.
Starting a "CHL: What's the point" thread was indeed going to strike nerves here ... this is a Texas CHL forum. What did I expect?
I wanted validation ... were my fears and anxieties valid? Was I over reacting? why did I have those fears? and is a CHL worth the effort and resources?
Many posted exactly what I expected. But then ...
Answers to my un-ending list of questions and concerns were coming into light until The Annoyed Man posted and turned on the sun. I could pan that single post a dozen more times and find more gold nuggets each time. Sir, you are some one I'd like to meet. It's like Jack Roush or Jon Moss wading into an on-line Chevy vs Ford debate and spreading words of wisdom. The internet needs more annoyed men ... wait, that didn't come out right ...
- Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:05 pm
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I fixed your post citing TAM's excellent point. In the internet world of on-line forums, users typically post with counter points more often than those who agree.wharvey wrote: Everyone who carries 24/7 isn't paranoid. That IS a term often used by anti-gun folks with regard to those who carry a handgun for personal protection. As I said in an earlier post, to each his own. You asked if we agreed and it is obvious that most of us who are posting don't.
Written word is powerful, eh? Especially when multiple interpretations of the same words occur. The media feeds on it ...
The whole sentence, not just the phrase you focused on, was about how I feel ... personally feel.
I choose not to feel paranoid and carrying a concealed weapon makes me feel as though the worst is about to happen. Not could happen, rather about to happen.
See the difference?
Something my dad taught me to be honest with myself and recognize when ego clouds judgement. Your dad and mine would have been good friends.wharvey wrote: I do respect your decision based on your feelings with regard to your training, or lack there of. Nothing wrong with that. Years ago my father had to drive through some of the worse areas of Houston. I loaned him a pistol to keep in his glove box. This was long before carry was legal but still, few in their right mind would have gone in those places if they didn't need to. A few weeks later he gave it back saying he didn't trust his himself not to get mad and use it. Doubt he would have but he got no argument on from me.
Well I'm certainly not going to use it as my primary weapon for hog hunting.wharvey wrote: I do have to ask, why on earth are you carrying a handgun when you are going hog hunting? The AK should handle anything much better than any handgun. If it is for back up to the rifle the caliber and ammo would be marginal at best, against hogs at any rate.
But this time of year, with cool nights and short days, cold blooded reptiles begin moving about more. and quite frankly, I don't own a holster for my 22/45.
SL Dave ... glad it works for you.
How did you assess what the perp's intentions were?
- Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:26 pm
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The Annoyed Man wrote:Until I read this, I was thinking, "to each, his own," and willing to stay out of the conversation. But that is the crux of the matter.mitchntx wrote:We will run parallel courses ...Oldgringo wrote: Yes, I will renew when the time comes. Mrs. Oldgringo...probably not.
And probably once at getting it wrong, as well.johnson0317 wrote:You only get on chance at getting this right.
RJ
For reasons having to do with my religious faith, I am not afraid of death. But also for reasons of my religious faith, I want to live out as many days as are to be my portion—according to God's will, and not the will of some punk with a meth addiction. My prayer is that this includes getting to watch my grand kids grow up. In the meantime, I feel like I have a responsibility to my loved ones to come home alive every day. If carrying a gun ups those odds a bit, then I'm in favor of it. And like you, I tend to live a risk-averse life, so it's not that I am regularly exposed to an elevated threat level. But the truth is that, sometimes, we don't have to go looking for trouble. It will come seek us, uninvited.
Then there is the aspect of the political statement. I carry because I can, and the reason this fundamental human right is viewed as anachronistic by so many leftists is that they don't practice it themselves. The right not exercised falls by the wayside. Even though I have to jump through the statist hoops of the state to do so "legally" (CHL doesn't make carrying a gun legal, it gives you a defense to prosecution....an important distinction.....), I do that willingly if that is the reality of what it takes to exercise a right that should be free and unrestricted. I would like to see constitutional carry passed in Texas.
By not carrying all the time, you're actually in the majority of CHL holders. Most don't carry 24/7. I'm guessing that the active members of this board are more likely to do so than not, because we are by definition probably more interested in the subject than most other CHL holders. In that regard, we might actually represent a statistical anomaly, and thus you are probably more likely to get answers in this thread which disagree with your premise than you would get if you polled all CHL holders at large.
For my own part, I will not only definitely renew, but it is my plan (finances and time permitting) to obtain my instructor's license in 2012. My wife also carries daily by the way. Pretty much the only time she doesn't carry is in church.......not because of any particular philosophical or religious objection. She is part of the child-care ministry, and she is not comfortable having her gun on her or in her purse with a dozen 18 month to 24 month old crumb-grinders climbing all over her and everything else. So she leaves her gun in the car, and that means that she is unarmed during both the first service when she volunteers, and the second service when she worships..........but I am not unarmed. I carry on stage as part of the worship team. I used to be the only one who did in our worship band, but I know of at least 3 others who are in the process of getting their own CHLs. My wife's plan is to renew when it comes up. And by the way, one of the reasons she carries all the rest of the time is because her gun is the one thing that makes her the physical equal of any male assailant.
I read and re-read your post Mr. Annoyed.
All I can say is Wow!
I am for the most part is agreement with your philosophical outlook.
Thanks for taking the time, to not only read, but to respond.
God Bless ...
- Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:37 pm
- Forum: New to CHL?
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And based upon your taking issue with my points of view and actions on other occasions on this forum, I think you completely missed my point of view once again.johnson0317 wrote:I believe that is precisely my point.mitchntx wrote:And probably once at getting it wrong, as well.johnson0317 wrote:You only get on chance at getting this right.
RJ
RJ
Not "one chance to get it wrong" as in I'll be dead, rather "one chance to get it wrong" by making a bad decision.
I realize and my ego is not so fragile that I admit, I'm not trained well enough to be able to make a life or death decision in the heat of the battle.
I'm not talking about the obvious situations where someone is trying to smash in my door, running at me with a knife or threatening one of my family members with grabbed collar and closed fist. It's those not so clear situations that concern me most.
If I had easy access to LEO style training and maintained the same quality of requal training that LEOs have, then I would feel better about a daily carry.
But I don't.
So I chose a more conservative route and pray for devine intervention BEFORE an incident begins rather than praying for guidance in MIDST of an incident.
FWIW ... on my hip right now is a SA 1911A1 with 185 grain critical defense. I'm about to head out the door with my 7.62 AK to go feral hog hunting.
So I'm not anti-gun nor am I anti-carry. I am anti-paranoid, though ... simply because it can cloud sound judgement.
- Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:15 am
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We will run parallel courses ...Oldgringo wrote: Yes, I will renew when the time comes. Mrs. Oldgringo...probably not.
And probably once at getting it wrong, as well.johnson0317 wrote:You only get on chance at getting this right.
RJ
- Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:48 pm
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My Views Do Vary10Shooter wrote:MVDV ?
- Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:40 am
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Banks, schools and where I work.Skiprr wrote:Just wondering: If you're in a predominantly rural area, where are you seeing all the 30.06 postings?mitchntx wrote:...With so many 30.06 signs hanging around here, I'm walking parking lots without the gun any way.
I guess I lead a rather boring life ...
- Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:37 am
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Good discussion. Thanks for insights.
And bring that shovel and once finished, I'll help you with yours ... kinda like an old fashioned barn raisin' ...
And bring that shovel and once finished, I'll help you with yours ... kinda like an old fashioned barn raisin' ...
- Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:55 pm
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I have to work at swing shift a few time s a year. At work by two in the morning.Zylo_X wrote: I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but did you have a specific reason for getting the CHL??
My place of employment is rural ... in the sticks!
Driving in a few months back, came upon an idling P/U truck, stopped straddling a double yellow line.
I saw no head in the cab, so I called 911. I turned on my flashers and bright lights and waited for LEO to show.
In that 10 minutes was when I decided I should have a weapon for personal protection.
I had no idea what was going on, but lots of possibilities raced throuogh my head.
Turns out the driver was passed out drunk, slumped over in the seat and knocked trans in neutral.
And while I've given away my wallet a couple times, I've never felt as though I needed to kill some one to protect me or mine.
Even on the road that night, I could conjour up all kinds of "worst case scenarios".
To me, arming myself for a WCS means I should also be digging a bunker, stocking it with beans and an arsenal of AKs
in order to be ready for the zombies ... just in case.
But how do you draw the line between the two WCSs?
- Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:22 pm
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Maybe I should go to Vegas.A-R wrote:The simple answer to the OP's inquiry is this spot-on quote:
"Carry 24/7 ... or guess right"
Simple as that. To each their own ... YMMV ... etc.
Been an accurate guesser for over 50 years ...
Look, I'm not trying to change any one's mind.
I respect the fact that many of you carry regularly.
And just because I chose not to carry daily, shouldn't immediately
discount my commintment to the 2nd ammendment or even basic gun safety.
MVDVYMMV
- Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:15 pm
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Or maybe I DO realize the commitment. Possible?Zylo_X wrote:You don't seem to realize its a commitment and a huge responsibility. Many of the problems in this country today are based in the assumption of a Right, without the weight of Responsibility. Where might that lead us?? I'm just sayin' ...
Perhaps you'd be better off NOT carrying, until you need it.
I added that a weapon is in all vehicles. So while travelling, I do have adequate protection.
I also have loaded Mossbergs (plural) stashed about the house for adequate protection.
With so many 30.06 signs hanging around here, I'm walking parking lots without the gun any way.
So, I'm wondering why carry if I have to leave it (legally) in the car any way.
Walking Wal-Mart isn't the pinnacle of my week.
- Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:41 pm
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Good points ...
Let me add that I have a weapon concealed in each of my three vehicles and are within arms reach at any point in time.
I doubt the water attacked the kayaker, rather the kayaker put himself at risk.
Likewise, I rarely travel the mean streets, although I acknowledge the mean streets sometimes pop up outa nowhere.
Let me add that I have a weapon concealed in each of my three vehicles and are within arms reach at any point in time.
I doubt the water attacked the kayaker, rather the kayaker put himself at risk.
Likewise, I rarely travel the mean streets, although I acknowledge the mean streets sometimes pop up outa nowhere.
- Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:16 pm
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... I've actually carried a dozen times. And that was mostly on a friends squanderosa near Stephenville to thwart critters who thought I might be trespassing.
I'm glad I went through all the trouble. It's nice to have a CHL. But for all practical purposes and with how lenient the gun laws are in Texas, I have a hard time convincing myself it was worth it based upon "a nice to have".
Any one else feel that way?
I'm glad I went through all the trouble. It's nice to have a CHL. But for all practical purposes and with how lenient the gun laws are in Texas, I have a hard time convincing myself it was worth it based upon "a nice to have".
Any one else feel that way?