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wgoforth wrote:I do want to apologize here... I hijacked this thread without even realizing it. I had just returned today from DPS training for the week and made a list of things not in accord with our common understanding of CHL law. I think it would be better if I created a separate thread for this.

Its my thread so I have the AUTHORITY

...to inform you that you are MORE than welcome to highjack the thread. Having said that, I think the info you have is WORTHY of a new thread so that more people will see it and get involved.

03Lightningrocks wrote:

wgoforth wrote:...so that the comment that the OP should have been taught this (only 30.06 is valid) was not necessarily the case. He may NOT have been taught such.

If the OP has been hanging around this forum as long as you and I have, it would be safe to assume the OP has been told this more than 465,768,000,001 times.

I am going to leave it alone now but please don't pass improper laws along to your students. It is hard enough complying with CHL laws without us making up laws that don't exist.

I have only been around 8-9 months. In that short of time, I have come to learn (very early in joining) that ONLY a 30.06 is valid. In my original post, I stated that I ONLY looked for the 30.06 signage. That is why the thread title is "Tell me where I was wrong". I did not necessarily think that I was wrong, just wanted to make sure.

It does pizz me off to no that someone in the state would have officer teaching that all signs are valid. It sounds very Obamaesque.

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sjfcontrol wrote:

baldeagle wrote:The Garland Shooting Range allows you to CC to your station, then unholster and prepare for your shooting practice. I know because I called and asked them BEFORE I went there. The Bullet Trap has a clearly visible sign that says no loaded weapons are allowed. I'm surprised you think you can carry a loaded weapon into their store, CC or not. If a store has a policy that they don't allow loaded weapons, then you disrespect the store by carrying a loaded weapon. The store owner or staff has the right to ask you to leave immediately, and if you don't comply, you can be charged with trespassing. After all, it's a private business. They can make any rules they want, and you can choose to go elsewhere if you think their rules are goofy, silly, ridiculous, offensive or whatever.

If I go to the Bullet Trap to shoot my EDC, I unload and remove the magazine in the car before entering the store. As CHL holders our primary duty is to uphold the law in all situations. That means we either obey the wishes of business owners or we don't shop there. A shop that has a sign that says no loaded weapons allowed has made their intentions crystal clear. It has nothing to do with 30.06 or our rights as CHL holders.

As has been stated before, signs not withstanding, the Bullet Trap has no problem with CHL's CC'ing to the booth, then changing ammo and shooting. (Or at least that was the policy prior to the ownership change.)

In red -- so you obey gun-buster signs?

I stopped by the Bullet Trap the to show one of their salesman my new trigger on the P238 he sold me. Saw him a few days earlier and I told him about the trigger. The guy really wanted to see how it turned out, so when I stopped by in a few more days, he granted me permission to show it to him. I asked if he was sure and he said the Mgmt had no issue with it...as it was a gun store.

I want to know about this trigger...wife and I carry the P238, but the trigger hurts her finger...

Did an online search, came up with a thread in the 1911forum.com. Joined the site just to PM the guy who was selling the triggers.

Heres the thread: http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=331060

I think the stainless trigger was 50 bucks. Installing it is the tricky part, ya need a gunsmith. No way was that trigger pin ever gonna come out. Paid around a hundred bucks to have the Smith at Rays Hardware in Dallas do the job.

Munson wrote:Your first problem was going to carters Country. Your second problem was buying something from them. If you don't agree with their policies and procedures, go somewhere else. And yes, you have been warned so the next time could be trespass. Sorry for the rant, they are not on my favorites list.

1) I was not familiar with Carters Countrys policies. I had never been there and was out of town for Christmas.

2) There ammo was crazy high...will concede your point about buying from them.

3) I dont agree with their policies, but will comply next time.

4) Trespass will not be an issue.

5) No worries about the mini rant. What happened?

sjfcontrol wrote:

baldeagle wrote:The Garland Shooting Range allows you to CC to your station, then unholster and prepare for your shooting practice. I know because I called and asked them BEFORE I went there. The Bullet Trap has a clearly visible sign that says no loaded weapons are allowed. I'm surprised you think you can carry a loaded weapon into their store, CC or not. If a store has a policy that they don't allow loaded weapons, then you disrespect the store by carrying a loaded weapon. The store owner or staff has the right to ask you to leave immediately, and if you don't comply, you can be charged with trespassing. After all, it's a private business. They can make any rules they want, and you can choose to go elsewhere if you think their rules are goofy, silly, ridiculous, offensive or whatever.

If I go to the Bullet Trap to shoot my EDC, I unload and remove the magazine in the car before entering the store. As CHL holders our primary duty is to uphold the law in all situations. That means we either obey the wishes of business owners or we don't shop there. A shop that has a sign that says no loaded weapons allowed has made their intentions crystal clear. It has nothing to do with 30.06 or our rights as CHL holders.

As has been stated before, signs not withstanding, the Bullet Trap has no problem with CHL's CC'ing to the booth, then changing ammo and shooting. (Or at least that was the policy prior to the ownership change.)

In red -- so you obey gun-buster signs?

I stopped by the Bullet Trap the to show one of their salesman my new trigger on the P238 he sold me. Saw him a few days earlier and I told him about the trigger. The guy really wanted to see how it turned out, so when I stopped by in a few more days, he granted me permission to show it to him. I asked if he was sure and he said the Mgmt had no issue with it...as it was a gun store.

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:You can put all the lead you want through your target, but they forbid Sharpies???

That is just plain bizarre.

SIA

Something else that was weird...was there prices on Golden Sabers HP's. At cheaper than dirt, for a box of 25...I paid:

380- $16 CC wanted over 30 bucks
9mm- $15 CC $25
40- $15 CC $35
45- $15 CC wanted 45 buck

Carter Country also said they had not seen 357 Sig in over a year. It was weird compared to what I see in Dallas.

C-dub wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote:

jmorris wrote:I've only ever shot at a range that charges per gun once. Not again.

That is the bottom line for CC. They charge by the gun and by the target. They want to tag the gun so they know it was paid for.

That's just wrong. How do they survive with that kind of a policy?

What was also weird, was that they freaked out when I mentioned the word "Sharpie"...its against the rules to make marks on your target. Glad I dont live there and HAVE to use their facilities on a regular basis.

Texas Dan Mosby wrote:

Was I in the wrong to take the weapon into the business loaded? Did the conversation that took place constitute "verbal notification?" Thanks for your help.

The 30.06 is the ONLY legal sign that can bar a CHL from entering a business. All other signs have no legal authority.

However, if asked to leave a premises due to verbal notification of policy prohibiting CHL on premises, you must do so or be subject to trespassing charges.

Good to know, thank you!

stroguy wrote:There policy is to have your weapon unloaded if you are going to shoot it. It states it on the sign that you should have bolts and breaches open. I CC while shooting but I bring in my weapons unloaded. There is no problem with having your weapon unloaded prior to entering in my opinion. They put the tag on the trigger guard of the weapon(s) you are going to shoot. Can you imagine the odds of having a weapon go off if everybody walked in with the weapon loaded and went to unload it at the check in station? I think their policy is fair. Like I said, I CC my.380 and shoot something else. I CC my 1911 if I want to shoot my LCP. You did no wrong other than miss the meaning of the sign out front.

It sounds like I should just respect their policy and comply with their wishes. Noted, I will comply next time. The tag thing was kinda weird.

Please tell me where I was in the wrong. I really am not sure if I was legally right or wrong for CCing my pistol into to Carter Country on 1960 in Houston the other day. I had never been there before, and wanted to shoot my P238 while I was in town visiting family.

Before I entered Carter Country, I briefly scanned the signs outside of their entrance. They have 7 or 8 signs, I did not read them because I did not see 30.06 posted. When I shoot at the Bullet trap in Plano, I have never encountered an issue CCing my CW. Walked in and waited in line to pay my range fee, the conversation went something like this:

WBC= Woman behind counter

Me: I'd like to pay for a lane
WBC: What are you gonna shoot?
Me: Paper targets with 380's.
WBC: No, what gun are you gonna shoot?
Me: A Sig P238.
WBC: No, I mean where is the gun you are going to shoot?
Me: Oh, ok, I am wearing it and was going to take it out once I reached my lane.
WBC: You cannot do that in here.
Me: Why?
WBC: The signs outside say that you cannot bring a loaded gun into the store.
Me: I looked before I entered, I did not see a 30.06 sign.
WBC: Whats that?
Me: The only legal signage that prevents me from concealed carry.
WBC: I dont know what that is. Do you even have a license to carry?
Me: (Flashes my Utah permit)
WBC: Are you from Utah?
Me: No mam.
WBC: Then why do you have a Utah license?
Me: Personal reasons that I would prefer not to discuss.
WBC: Have you ever shown that license to a cop?
Me: Yes mam, once in Oklahoma and three times here in Texas.
WBC: (Puts the tag thingy on my trigger guard) Dont ever bring a loaded gun into this store again.
Me: Yes mam, thank you.


Was I in the wrong to take the weapon into the business loaded? Did the conversation that took place constitute "verbal notification?" Thanks for your help.