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by mojo84
Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:26 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Look Out for Lookouts
Replies: 25
Views: 7213

Re: Look Out for Lookouts

AndyC wrote:
mojo84 wrote:
AndyC wrote:I've seen the real thing a number of times and haven't frozen yet, but I can confirm that tunnel-vision, tachypsychia and auditory exclusion are very real effects - and that countering those can be partly learned shooting steel under match pressure, particularly in real-time man vs man events.
:iagree:

I'm sure shooting steel in competition is better than shooting paper. However. Nothing prepares a person better than the real deal.
To an extent yes, but some people won't survive the real deal so it's not a practical training tool ;)

I'm not claiming this will make you an unstoppable gun-fighter by any means - but if someone can't control their anxiety doing this, they're definitely not ready for a gunfight unless they're very lucky. Other than (hugely expensive) training in high-speed, 360-deg kill-houses, I can't think of anything else that's a simple and efficient way to replicate to a large degree a good number of those symptoms for the everyday civilian on an everyday range. It has to be against another human being in real time, though.
I agree with you. Training is better than nothing or just shooting paper. I get the impression some think that shooting competitive matches makes them ready for combat. There is no substitute for pulling a gun on someone that is intent on doing you harm. As you know, no one really knows how or how well they will respond until in the situation.

Nonetheless, you are on my team of things get jiggy,
by mojo84
Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:02 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Look Out for Lookouts
Replies: 25
Views: 7213

Re: Look Out for Lookouts

puma guy wrote:
mojo84 wrote:
AndyC wrote:I've seen the real thing a number of times and haven't frozen yet, but I can confirm that tunnel-vision, tachypsychia and auditory exclusion are very real effects - and that countering those can be partly learned shooting steel under match pressure, particularly in real-time man vs man events.
:iagree:

I'm sure shooting steel in competition is better than shooting paper. However. Nothing prepares a person better than the real deal. Also, no one knows for sure how they would respond until they are faced with the real deal. I'll take a guy that's been there and done that for my team.
Exactly why I'll take Andy on my side!

Too late. I've already chosen him. Go find your own guy. ;-)
by mojo84
Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:08 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Look Out for Lookouts
Replies: 25
Views: 7213

Re: Look Out for Lookouts

AndyC wrote:I've seen the real thing a number of times and haven't frozen yet, but I can confirm that tunnel-vision, tachypsychia and auditory exclusion are very real effects - and that countering those can be partly learned shooting steel under match pressure, particularly in real-time man vs man events.
:iagree:

I'm sure shooting steel in competition is better than shooting paper. However. Nothing prepares a person better than the real deal. Also, no one knows for sure how they would respond until they are faced with the real deal. I'll take a guy that's been there and done that for my team.
by mojo84
Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:22 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Look Out for Lookouts
Replies: 25
Views: 7213

Re: Look Out for Lookouts

AndyC wrote:
In the scenario oriented training I conduct with both my police and armed citizen classes, the “lookout” scenario almost always leads to the cop or armed citizen being shot. No matter what amount of training you have done, it is difficult to control the tunnel vision reaction. In this case. the physiology designed to help us actually causes our demise as we overlook the lookout in order to pay better attention to the criminal we are confronting.
http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/y ... r-lookouts
One of the reasons I contend it's a bad idea to unload your gun on the person you are engaging. Nothing worse than eliminating one threat and realizing you have other threats and an empty mag.

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