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Embalmo wrote:My class was full of people who'd obviously never loaded of fired a handgun. Why would someone want to gain their license to carry if they weren't into shooting and handling handguns already? I certainly wouldn't have taken my driving test if I hadn't practiced driving. Maybe a range punch card should be required to prove that the student has some range time under their belt.

Am I missing the news of a bunch of incompetent people with an LTC negligently or accidentally shooting innocent people? If not, what problem are people trying to solve?

Flightmare wrote:managed to get a round chambered that way

I would like more details on how he accomplished this? To my knowledge, it's impossible without major alterations to the cartridge or chamber?

Sounds pretty outlandish too me.

Are pro-gun and pro-carry causes and issues not components of Liberty?

To my point. Do threads like this one advance Liberty and freedom beyond someone exercising their right to free speech?

RossA wrote:To me, there is no pro-gun or pro-carry. It is all just a part of pro-freedom. There is no such thing as "gun rights", there are individual rights. To some it is a gun issue. To me it is a freedom issue.

Whatever.

That's way beyond the topic of this thread. I'm sure not going to get into a manufactured argument over semantics when we pretty much agree on the big picture.

It's also your right to advance the pro-gun and pro-carry causes (freedom) by donating your time to give free lessons. Why not get on with it rather than just wishing others did it. Why make money on helping people enjoy a basic individual freedom by getting their LTC? You don't have to charge for your lessons? Kind of crazy to profit from helping someone enjoy a basic right. See how we can get mired in the mud when chasing rabbits?

RossA wrote:Mojo, while I am a LTC instructor, as a Constitutionalist I see the right of self defense as being enshrined as a right which does not require the government's permission. Hopefully we will one day have Constitutional carry in Texas. That will take away some of my income, but my income is not as important to me as my freedom is.
Remember, a license is nothing more than the government taking away a right, then selling it back to you under the government's conditions.

Why is that addressed to me? Do you think I believe we should have to have a qualification, class or license to carry?

However, the reality is, that is exactly what we have. Based on the stats, it has been very effective in accomplishing what it was designed to accomplish. Until we can, if possible, eliminate the current process and requirements, I don't see how threads like this are complimetary to the pro-gun and pro-carry causes, especially when some of the claims are so outlandish.

Threads like this appear to be an attempt paint the LTC qualification process in a negative light. Not sure they are very productive considering the undeniable track record over the past 20 years. Apparently, it's not as inadequate as these threads portray.

Nothing is perfect.