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This is a very good point parabelum.

And from those who care about our 2A rights, what would you think is the % who would put their lives and the lives of their families on the line to defend that right in a bloody civil war?

Just think how many have openly and proudly stated they are only concerned about themselves and their own and wouldn't take a chance on helping someone else that was in danger. Standing up and risking one's life and that of his/her family members is something I believe very few in the grand scheme of things would actually do. Therefore, boastfully bloviating about fighting in a civil war is disingenuous and makes all pro-gun people look bad.

It's the guys and gals that don't need to boast and act tough that I want standing beside me if things were to go bad.

Solaris wrote:I say we just go to a complete ban on guns turn them in and stop this death by a thousands cuts.

I am going to join the pro-choice movement. At least they have the backbone to never give in.

Exactly my point right there.

One of the problems I see in this and other threads, if someone isn't 100% in lockstep with what is considered conservative, libertarian or pro-2nd "correct" thinking, people conclude that person is a left-wing nut planted to perpetuate a grand conspiracy to infiltrate the "correct" thinkers and throw the the election to the commie criminal. It is impossible to get 100% buy in on all nuances of an issue buy all folks that support an issue such as liberty, 2nd Amendment, economics, religion etc.

Being so dogmatic that everything is either black or white is shortsighted. For those that want to jump to accusing me of being a "liberal plant", you couldn't be further from the truth. While I base my opinions and decisions on principles, I understand not everything is a,ways black or white and if someone doesn't agree with me 100% they are automatically my enemy. I also don't believe it is best to always be looking for an argument or spoiling for a fight whether it is on a forum or potential civil war.

We need to focus on what unites us and less on finding the things that divide us. If not, we will eventually be referring to one another as "comrade".