flintknapper wrote:If one does what you are suggesting, in practicality, what does one gain or accomplish? If you force the issue and they put up a compliant sign, you still won't be able to open carry there.
If they can not be persuaded to 'consider' Open Carry with a thoughtful, well written letter, then they will need to do one of two things.
1. Post a compliant sign....which clearly shows their intent, satisfies the LAW and creates an immediate trespass.
2. Post NO sign or a non-compliant sign and be forced to issue notice either verbally or in writing.
What is potentially "gained" is holding merchants to the same compliance standards we are held to and forcing them to consider IF it is worth it to them. If they are adamant about NO OC ....then nothing is 'lost' except some effort and time on our part. As you say...you still can't open carry there, so your point is somewhat moot in terms of OC. There IS something to be gained, but nothing lost.
You do have something to lose though. They could tell tell that they do not want you in their place of business or tell you that they don't want guns at all.
This is a possibility. So what you are proposing is a 'loss' of C/C, correct? Why would they do that? It puts them right back at 'square one'.
Except NOW they would have to post TWO compliant signs...OR try to figure out WHO was carrying past a non-compliant sign, double the trouble. You really can't see that?
You keep saying they would have to put up compliant signs. No they will not. They can continue to use the noncompliant signs as a warning or heads up and then verbal notice to those that do not honor the sign. There is a strong chance you will be told they don't want guns in their business. You then have been given notice for both concealed and open carry.
Bottom line, you gain nothing in practicality by trying to force the issue. You can get hung up on principle but it gains you nothing.
In reading your posts I get the distinct impression you want it your way without compromise and you want it now. The problem is, there are two different perspectives and you can't for people to see it your way and do it your way. Nothing you've said is going to force someone to put up compliant signs. In other words, you seem to be willing to cut your nose off to spite your face. That's fine but don't screw it up for the rest of us.