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by mojo84
Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:55 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Almost went to jail!!!
Replies: 292
Views: 60838

Re: Almost went to jail!!!

mreed911 wrote:
baldeagle wrote:Substitute "anyone" for "security personnel or other agents", and the sense of the sentence is identical. An apartment manager can delegate to whomever he desires the authority to exclude people from his property. The same applies to an property manager or owner.
Yes, but the mere act of calling the police does not, in and of it self, confer authority. An affirmative step is required for such delegation.
IF your point is valid, what if the cop approached the complainant that called which is an employee and told the officer he does not want the person open carrying? That provides the delegation of apparent authority.

Isn't it typical that a cop seeks out the persona that called when they first come on a scene such as the one in this fictitious scenario?
by mojo84
Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:06 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Almost went to jail!!!
Replies: 292
Views: 60838

Re: Almost went to jail!!!

mreed911 wrote:
mojo84 wrote: I can't believe this argument over a scenario that didn't even happens is still going on.
Good, constructive arguments can be very illustrative. This one brings up some good points and is staying civil.

I'm certainly no expert and lots of the replies present a perspective I didn't know.

But some are still debating over specifics of this situation which are fictitious. I'm glad you find it informative.
by mojo84
Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:20 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Almost went to jail!!!
Replies: 292
Views: 60838

Re: Almost went to jail!!!

A cop is not necessarily and agent of the property owner. Applying the concept and law of agency does not apply here. The cop does not have to have a fiduciary responsibility for the property to have apparent authority to give notice. I believe the fact the 911 call was made by the property owner's representative for a person openly carrying conveys apparent authority. Plus, you don't know if the cops spoke to the manager or rep before approaching the open carried in this fictitious event.


I can't believe this argument over a scenario that didn't even happens is still going on.
by mojo84
Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:29 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Almost went to jail!!!
Replies: 292
Views: 60838

Re: Almost went to jail!!!

oljames3 wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:Golly Gee Whiz, everybody must be tired of football? Why don't we all take a break from what has become a somewhat contentious thread with no clear winner.....and just get along?

The real OC stories start next week when things return to normal and folk wear their guns to work....or not.
Agreed. I'm done reading this thread. Apart from postings by TAM and Charles, it has not be edifying.

As I have since I go my CHL in 2013, I will carry openly where I legally can, conceal as the situation dictates (employer prohibits OC), and disarm only when I must. Reports will be in other threads.
Thanks for the insult. My apologies you were not edified by this thread.

Your contribution was very edifying though.
by mojo84
Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:57 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Almost went to jail!!!
Replies: 292
Views: 60838

Re: Almost went to jail!!!

Ruark wrote:This is awkward. I wouldn't OC past that sign, yet at the same time it's not legal. I don't want to get into a face-to-face with a cop. But if we take that approach, we won't OC past ANY no-guns sign, 30.07 or gunbuster or whatever.

Question: what legislation could be proposed for the next session that would resolve this? Throw some ideas at me.

The answer lies in common sense and individuals making their own decision of how to respond.

Hopefully, whatever one does, I hope they do it respectfully and without causing a scene.

I am going to take a noncompliant 30.07 sign as a warning or heads up that I am likely going to receive proper and effective notice if I disregard it and enter with an openly carried gun.
by mojo84
Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:46 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Almost went to jail!!!
Replies: 292
Views: 60838

Re: Almost went to jail!!!

I respectfully submit, lying, fabricating a misleading story, disregarding a notice, using poor judgement, boasting, playing people and not responding to reasonable clarifying questions typically will not earn one much respect.
by mojo84
Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:21 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Almost went to jail!!!
Replies: 292
Views: 60838

Re: Almost went to jail!!!

anygunanywhere wrote:
mojo84 wrote:
I responded to your karma comment because you made your sympathies for this guy very clear and it was obvious you took exception to me challenging him.
I did not single you out in my post about cutting him some slack. My post did not quote anyone.
So, are you saying I was excluded from your comment?
by mojo84
Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:12 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Almost went to jail!!!
Replies: 292
Views: 60838

Re: Almost went to jail!!!

anygunanywhere wrote:
mojo84 wrote:
anygunanywhere wrote:
mojo84 wrote:
anygunanywhere wrote:Karma seldom forgets.

Yeah, fabricating a story like that just to stir the pot will come come back to bite the fabricator. It's a shame you can't or chose not to see what he was doing.

By the way, I don't believe in karma.
Friend,

I made my post about cutting him slack BEFORE he posted this:
PSTL*PAKR wrote:I will prove it. I will do it again, and post it on youtube
I was not ignoring what he was posting so there is no shame on me.
But your karma comment was well after it.
True. It is funny you responded to my karma post. It was not directed at anyone in particular.

Respect begets respect. People respond to the way they are approached. How many times have said on this forum if we expect respect we have to give respect. More often than not we have talked about this when stopped by LEOs. The same holds true when someone makes a post someone disagrees with. Take an objective look at the number of times someone makes a post and then the responses take off hammering the poster. More often than not nowadays it is about OC. If the post runs even sightly counter to the accepted norm on this forum of what OC should be they are immediately scolded by the masses. They are referred to as whiners, trolls, OCT idiots.

I understand what you say but that is not the case here. I gave him a chance and tried to connect the dots for others to see what he was doing.

I responded to your karma comment because you made your sympathies for this guy very clear and it was obvious you took exception to me challenging him.
by mojo84
Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:47 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Almost went to jail!!!
Replies: 292
Views: 60838

Re: Almost went to jail!!!

anygunanywhere wrote:
mojo84 wrote:
anygunanywhere wrote:Karma seldom forgets.

Yeah, fabricating a story like that just to stir the pot will come come back to bite the fabricator. It's a shame you can't or chose not to see what he was doing.

By the way, I don't believe in karma.
Friend,

I made my post about cutting him slack BEFORE he posted this:
PSTL*PAKR wrote:I will prove it. I will do it again, and post it on youtube
I was not ignoring what he was posting so there is no shame on me.
But your karma comment was well after it.
by mojo84
Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:41 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Almost went to jail!!!
Replies: 292
Views: 60838

Re: Almost went to jail!!!

He posted this long before any of this in this thread was posted.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=81327&p=1035928#p1035928

viewtopic.php?f=129&t=76754

I noticed his inconsistencies in this thread, recalled a previous interaction I had with him and did some additional research before I called him on it. I even gave him some opportunities to come clean or clear up his inconsistencies. Yes, I was very confident before I took a public stand.

The judge and jury comment is nothing but childish personal attack.
by mojo84
Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:19 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Almost went to jail!!!
Replies: 292
Views: 60838

Re: Almost went to jail!!!

anygunanywhere wrote:Karma seldom forgets.

Yeah, fabricating a story like that just to stir the pot will come come back to bite the fabricator. It's a shame you can't or chose not to see what he was doing.

By the way, I don't believe in karma.
by mojo84
Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:15 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Almost went to jail!!!
Replies: 292
Views: 60838

Re: Almost went to jail!!!

flintknapper wrote:
It was reason and discernment that made it clear he was trolling. The evidence was laid out so that even an ant could see it.
Uh-Huh .....and WHO decided that?

I laid it out in my posts. It is pretty obvious. Too bad you can't see it.
by mojo84
Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:46 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Almost went to jail!!!
Replies: 292
Views: 60838

Re: Almost went to jail!!!

flintknapper wrote:
When one kicks the antpile, one does not get to choose by how many ants he gets bit by.

He got exactly what he was seeking.
Fortunately as humans we have God given intelligence and the ability to reason (most of us) ;-) . We are not supposed to act as 'ants' or other lesser creatures with the same response to every action (any PERCEIVED threat receives immediate attack).

IF the OP is indeed 'trolling' then I submit he has filled his 'stringer' several times over, judging by the responses.

Personally, I don't see anything beyond dissenting points of view. Something that is not always tolerated here.

We will have our answer soon enough.
It was reason and discernment that made it clear he was trolling. The evidence was laid out so that even an ant could see it.

He had ample opportunity to clear up the inconsistencies in his story and shed some light on the incongruencies between his supposed actions outlined in this thread and his previous anti-OC posts.
by mojo84
Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:02 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Almost went to jail!!!
Replies: 292
Views: 60838

Re: Almost went to jail!!!

anygunanywhere wrote:I like to give people a chance to redeem themselves. If and when a person validates what and who they are then that is their business. The piling on just seemed a little excessive to me. If that makes me look deficient in your eyes so be it. I am entitled to my opinion.
When one kicks the antpile, one does not get to choose by how many ants he gets bit by.

He got exactly what he was seeking.
by mojo84
Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:50 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Almost went to jail!!!
Replies: 292
Views: 60838

Re: Almost went to jail!!!

PSTL*PAKR wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
mojo84 wrote:
mojo84 wrote:There are some inconsistencies in this story that make me wonder if this actually happened. The OP stated he went into the restaurant, a cafeteria, and 20 minutes later the cops showed up. He then said said the cops showed up before he had a chance to order. Then he said they must not have cooked his food since the manager called the police.

Too many inconsistencies here for me to believe this event actually happened. I think I took the bait and got reeled up to the boat and threw the hook as the net approached me.

Further to my previous post regarding inconsistencies within this thread by the OP, I've looked back at his prior postings which demonstrate he is adamantly against open carry.

I believe he has an anti-OC agenda and he is playing us all like cheap fiddles. I am even more convinced the event in this thread did not happen. I encourage you all to review his prior comments and consider how he can't keep his story straight, even in this one thread.

We are making a mountain out of a molehill that did not exist.
I'm convinced mojo84 is absolutely correct. I did a quick search of his posts and the one quoted below is typical of his attitude toward open-carry. Couple this with his failure to respond to any comment in this multi-page thread he started and there's more reason to doubt this event ever occurred. It appears that his dislike of open-carry coupled with a total lack of anti-OC incidents prompted him to invent this story.

Chas.
PSTL*PAKR wrote:For all you OC people, get ready to get banned from carrying in a lot of places.....Why aren't people happy with CC?????? :roll:
I will prove it. I will do it again, and post it on youtube
Exactly what we don't need. Does not prove this event happened. Please stop.

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