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Ruark wrote:

mojo84 wrote: Unfortunately, I suspect their planners/briefers will more likely be 'yes men' who will only subvert the legislative intent as far left as they think the boss wants.
I think they have too much invested as far as their public position now to change their minds even if they were presented with strong persuasive argument. Folks at that level have huge egos and will seldom change their minds unless they are forced to do so. It would be a sign of being wrong and weakness for them to back off any now. It's unfortunate because their reasoning is misguided.

Yes. Trust me. I worked for the State for 37 years. State agency (and this includes UT) administration is ALL about power and ego, and has virtually nothing to do with knowledge or competence. I wouldn't be surprised if there were people on these boards who think SB11 allows drunk freshmen to run around with full-auto Uzis and twirl them on their fingers during class. But whatever they say is true. If they say the sky is green and 2+4=5, then the sky is green and 2+4=5, and those who don't nod and smile in agreement tend to not get invited to the socially correct backyard barbeques, their emails lost and their phone calls not returned. My hopes for SB11 sank like the Titanic when I learned that parameters for its implementation would be decided by these brainless, bureaucratic blobs of protoplasm and their subservient minions. I know; I've spent a considerable portion of my life sitting across conference tables from them.

thechl wrote:I say that because it appears to me, from everything I'm reading, that they have no idea what the current law says!

But I take your point, too.

thechl wrote:

TheCytochromeC wrote:An exerpt from and e-mail from the University of Texas at Arlington students:

Tuesday, June 2, 2015

A Message Regarding Texas Senate Bill 11

Dear members of the UTA community:

You are no doubt aware that the Texas State Legislature this weekend passed and sent to the governor for consideration Senate Bill 11, informally known as “campus carry,” allowing guns to be brought on to university property. While the broad implications of the bill are known, the details of implementation, including mechanisms for gathering input and processes to conform to the new requirements, still have to be worked out. We are conferring with the UT System and the Board of Regents on these. As we proceed, we will reach out to all members of our community for input.

In the event that you have not seen Chancellor William McRaven’s statement to the UT community in response to the passage of SB 11, it is posted below in its entirety.

Please know that the safety and security of our UTA family as well as all those who visit our campus is of the utmost importance and always foremost in our planning and actions.

Thank you for your continued support of The University of Texas at Arlington.

Sincerely,

Vistasp Karbhari
President



Statement from Chancellor William McRaven:

AUSTIN – Today, the Texas Legislature reached a decision on the issue of campus carry. While it is not what we had hoped for, I respect the Legislature’s decision. I also appreciate legislators for recognizing the very specific safety considerations that are unique to campus environments.

It is helpful that the bill was amended to allow our campus presidents to consult with students, faculty and staff to develop rules and regulations that will govern the carrying of concealed handguns on campuses. I look forward to working with our presidents as they craft these policies and bring them to our Board of Regents for review.

I pledge to our students, faculty, staff, patients and their families and to all those who may visit a UT institution that, as UT System leaders, we will do everything in our power to maintain safe and secure campuses.

I'm rather content we didn't get "what we had hoped for".

It seems to me that if a persuasive person were to sit down with these university presidents and chancellors and explain to them what we have today, and that the legislative intent is to open that door further, it would go some way toward swaying their upcoming policies in our direction.

Unfortunately, I suspect their planners/briefers will more likely be 'yes men' who will only subvert the legislative intent as far left as they think the boss wants.

“shall establish reasonable rules, regulations or other provisions regarding the carrying of concealed handguns by license holders on the campus of the institution or on premises located on the campus of the institution.”

Opponents such as Martinez Fischer and Rep. Joe Moody, an El Paso Democrat who drafted the compromise language giving more power to campus officials, disagreed.

“What SB11 ended up doing was allowing the president, with faculty, staff and students, to draft a very localized plan of where weapons would be allowed and wouldn’t be allowed on campus,” Moody said.

“It wasn’t an opt-out, but it was about as deferential to the local entities as you can be,” Moody said.

jmra wrote:

The Wall wrote:I guess next session will be open carry on campus. You can bet constitutional carry for sure.

I hope we don't waste political capitol on OC for CC! Much more important 2A issues!

Biography
Prior to being elected to the Texas House of Representatives, State Representative Dr. Alma A. Allen was elected to, and served on, the State Board of Education for over 10 years.
Beginning her career in education as a teacher at Parker Elementary School and Grimes Elementary School, Rep. Allen went on to become assistant principal at Foster Elementary School and then served as principal at Peck Elementary School, Windsor Village Vanguard Magnet School, and G.B.M. Turner Elementary School. She also worked in human resources and central administration, and retired from Houston Independent School District after 39 years. Thereafter, Rep. Allen continued her career in education as an Adjunct Professor at both Texas Southern University and Prairie View A&M University. Currently, she is a motivational speaker, and an educational consultant.
Rep. Allen holds a Bachelor of Science degree and a Master of Education degree from Texas Southern University and a Doctorate of Education in Curriculum and Instruction from the University of Houston, as well as a certificate in administration and supervision from the University of Houston. Rep. Allen has received many awards and honors, including Principal of the year, District 5, and Outstanding Alumnus of the University of Houston. Rep. Allen also received the Texas Freedom Network "Walking the Walk Award", from Governor Ann Richards, the Living Legend Award, presented by the Texas Alliance Of Black School Educators, and was recently honored in her hometown of Livingston, Texas, with Alma Allen Day.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Alma Allen has a doctoral degree!!? That is shocking and reprehensible.

Chas.

CrimsonSoul wrote:

mojo84 wrote:You guys are suckers for punishment for watching this. However, I thank you for taking one for the team and keeping the rest of us with weaker stomachs updated.

He's talking about how the bill forces the college to make a "gun free zone" and that people with guns have to go to a "gun free zone"

NorthTexas wrote:

v7a wrote:The current Rep that's speaking against SB11 must the dumbest Rep I've heard speak this session.

Rep. Sylvester Turner

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Finally!! I get some time away from a computer, the phone and bills. I'm going to lay on the soft with my dog, my HT (hams know what I mean), the remote control and watch TV. I need some mindless time off.

Chas.