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Did I say that? Where?Cedar Park Dad wrote:Defaulting on the debt is not "manning up" it is going bankrupt.mojo84 wrote:You asking that question is very telling.Cedar Park Dad wrote:Define man up and take care of it.mojo84 wrote:At some point the country is going to face a day of reckoning when it comes to our debt. Is is better to man up and take care of it now or leave it for our kids and grandkids to deal with it?
Amen!Charles L. Cotton wrote:I didn't say hold the line on spending, I said "Republicans absolutely hold the line and force the Democrats to REDUCE SPENDING." I'm not the least bit interested in maintaining current spending levels, I want them slashed starting with and focusing primarily on the very programs that have made the Democratic Party the darling those who look to the government for everything. No funding of any programs from the Social Security fund, other than retirement benefits and Medicare. No benefits for illegal aliens, no free public schooling for illegals; slash the federal workforce across the board.Cedar Park Dad wrote:You can hold the line on spending, but if you default on the debt everything gets hammered. Thats reality and history. Other countries have made that mistake and failed as a result. Further, if we implode the rest of the world gets hammered to.Charles L. Cotton wrote:The debt ceiling is far different from Obamacare. The Republicans absolutely should hold the line and force the Democrats to reduce spending. This is an issue that far more people on both sides of the isle are concerned about and it's a loser for Obama and the Democratic Party.Cedar Park Dad wrote:. . . but if this entangles the debt ceiling issue and creates a default scenario then thats an excellent way to implode the economy ala Argentina.
Chas.
The reality that you continue to ignore is that foreign debt will be the first to be disavowed/defaulted and that will be sufficient. Will that cause worldwide repercussions? Sure! But other than Israel, I don't care what happens to other countries. That's also why the old adage guns and rules is so accurate. Your solution is to raise the debt ceiling and continue with the status quo. That will bring about the precise conclusion you predict, only slightly further down the calendar.
Chas.
You asking that question is very telling.Cedar Park Dad wrote:Define man up and take care of it.mojo84 wrote:At some point the country is going to face a day of reckoning when it comes to our debt. Is is better to man up and take care of it now or leave it for our kids and grandkids to deal with it?
Bottom line, the sky didn't fall and the sun still came up in spite of all the dire predictions.Cedar Park Dad wrote:I'm sorry that the reason is not because of the shutdown but in spite of it.mojo84 wrote:What are you sorry for, crying wolf? That is a great thing that many's doomsday predictions didn't come true. It goes to show the country can continue with less government.Cedar Park Dad wrote:mojo84 wrote:So much for the predicted stock market crash due the "government shutdown". Dow is UP 45 points so far. Maybe the government should have sent home the "nonessential" employees long ago.
Manufacturing reports came in with manufacturing at the highest level since early 2011. Sorry.
If they are "nonessential" employees, why are they on the payroll in the first place?
Now this is all fun and games but if this entangles the debt ceiling issue and creates a default scenario then thats an excellent way to implode the economy ala Argentina. Countries that default on their debt take generations to recover, if ever.
What are you sorry for, crying wolf? That is a great thing that many's doomsday predictions didn't come true. It goes to show the country can continue with less government.Cedar Park Dad wrote:mojo84 wrote:So much for the predicted stock market crash due the "government shutdown". Dow is UP 45 points so far. Maybe the government should have sent home the "nonessential" employees long ago.
Manufacturing reports came in with manufacturing at the highest level since early 2011. Sorry.
And the dems/liberals appear to be much better at it. Many, including me, see voting for cloture as giving up the only true leverage the conservatives may have had to force the dems to negotiate. If I'm totally off base, I am open to more explanation.Charles L. Cotton wrote:There absolutely is political game playing; I don't deny that. However, when a Forum Member with a history of inflammatory statements makes a false allegation, it's as bad as political-speak.mojo84 wrote:Some would say he is playing politics and using political doublespeak.
Chas.
The problem with Obamacare law is that it was like taking a car that needed a major tune up and replacing the engine with an engine that has a crack in the block. It will run for a time and may even appear to run better. But it won't last long and when it goes it is going to be catastrophic. We will then have a single payer system and then the government will completely control all aspects of healthcare.OldGrumpy wrote:Charles L. Cotton wrote:Like him or not, agree with him or not, the simple fact is Cruz is not selling well nationwide. I'm a staunch conservative and I wish those of like mind were in the majority. We are not; most Americans who vote consider themselves moderates and vote accordingly. I think Cornyn may have just cost himself the election, but Texas is not a good barometer for the rest of the country.
Chas.
Somewhere along the line ALL politicians need to come to the point of recognizing they are not the only one in the game. Eisenhower (Republican) made deals with LBJ to move the country forward. Ronald Reagan made deals with the Great Liberal Tip O'Neil. We need to recognize that Affordable Care Act was passed into law no matter how bad the process smelled. As long as Obama is President it will remain law, so the question should be what reasonable efforts can be made to rein it in to reduce it's impact.
Seems like Reid changing the rules of the Senate to get what he wants is more "unconstitutional" than what Cruz is being accused of doing. What am I missing?The Annoyed Man wrote:http://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/20 ... lence.aspx - concerning lifting a freeze on federal funding for "gun violence" research.......funding had previously been signed into law, and then funding was frozen.Cedar Park Dad wrote:When has a major piece of legislation been overturned via defunding?
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaki ... -in-house/ - concerning the defunding of Planned Parenthood......funding which was previously signed into law.
And as I wrote in my previous post, this is not about defunding..... it is about Reid's efforts to reduce the cloture requirement to a simple majority. That has HUGE implications for a whole host of other things besides Obamacare. Go back and read all of my first post in this thread. It concerns Senate approval of a whole bunch of Obama's judicial and bureaucratic nominees who will be with us LONG after Obama is gone from office. Reid has been trying to get the cloture requirement reduced for this reason exactly, for a very long time. Getting it done for Obamacare is just a ruse.
Cedar Park Dad wrote:To overturn a law you need a majority passed by both the House and Senate, signed by the President, and vetted COnstitutionally by the courts (if sued upon).Robert*PPS wrote:1) There comes a time, and in this case an issue, where pure political tactics aren't enough. There comes a time when, in the face of those who firmly stand in opposition to your values, you stand on principle, and you make that stand with conviction. Without principle, any political party that wins elections will be problematic to the foundations of liberty and freedom that the United States embodies.
2) Cruz is standing on principle. Cornyn is playing political Stratego. I will remember this in the poll booth.
3) Arguing that standing on principle risks the country is like arguing that one should not rock the boat for fear of capsizing when there is a person at the front laughing hysterically and drilling a hole in the hull.
This is attempting to overturn a law via unconstitutonal means. We live in constitutional Republic. Act like it.