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by JALLEN
Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:51 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Home defense ammo
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Re: Home defense ammo

AndyC wrote:
JALLEN wrote:I was drawn to the 147 grain initially because that is what was used by SEAL Teams. I figured if it is good enough for those guys, it's good enough for me.
False logic.

The SEALs used that because a. it's a subsonic bullet that works well in suppressed weapons like their MP5SD and b. it was a superbly-accurate load - their guys were/are skilled enough to place a single headshot on an unsuspecting sentry and the like.

A 147gr bullet trundling along at 950 fps isn't much better than a .38 Sp round.
I learned of this in connection with suppressed 9 mm pistols the teams used, called "Hush Puppies" used to take out guard dogs, when I was young and foolish, from my b-i-l and his buddies in the teams.

You are right, especially about accuracy. Shot placement is everything! I believe they need to be able to put 5 shots in a playing card from 25 yards, consistently, while moving, rolling around, etc. Most of us can barely do that standing still in slow fire.
by JALLEN
Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:55 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Home defense ammo
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Re: Home defense ammo

w squared wrote: I went with 147 grain because I would rather have "slower and heavier" than "lighter and faster" in a 9mm defensive round....but I wouldn't argue with someone that happened to pick the Barnes 115 grain. I like the 147 grain HST because they meet the FBI protocol without being a +P or +P+ loading....which means that by shooting a heavy bullet over a normal pressure charge, I can practice with ammo that behaves in a way similar to my carry ammo. This is important to me, because my practice gets used for IDPA as well as "regular" range sessions, which ends up being anywhere from 60 to 300 rounds a week....and that would get EXPENSIVE with carry ammo.
You will no doubt be fascinated by this: http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/fackle ... er_9mm.pdf, "Performance of the Winchester 9mm 147 Grain Subsonic Jacketed Hollow Point Bullet in Human Tissue and Tissue Simulant."

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http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/9mm.htm

I was drawn to the 147 grain initially because that is what was used by SEAL Teams. I figured if it is good enough for those guys, it's good enough for me. Like I indicated, though, not all pistols work well with it.
by JALLEN
Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:31 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Home defense ammo
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Re: Home defense ammo

What is reliable in your gun? What does the manufacturer recommend?

I used to use 147 grain ammo in my 226 Navy. When I bought the P7M8, it didn't go well, all sorts of weird uncertainties. The reason, I discovered, is that the P7M8 is made for 124 grain ammo. Now I use 124 grain Speer Gold Dot and everybody is happy. The Sig is happy with anything from 115 to 147 grain, actually.

The brand matters less than the type your gun is optimized for. I doubt a BG will know or care whether you shoot him with one or the other once it goes BANG!

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